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  • My dividend investing ($11775.91 for 2005)

    Posted by Frugal on May 2nd, 2006

    I recall filling those questionaires provided by financial advisors, asking whether I like more income investing or more growth investing.  Initially, I didn’t really understand the question.  I told the financial advisor, “you know, I just want to have good return.  I don’t really care whether it’s from income investing or from growth investing.”  She said I was funny, but I was dead-serious.  Now I understand that income investors want to have current interest or dividend income, while growth investors want to grow capital gain.  But the underlying assumption by the financial service firms is that both will make money, and you just kind of pick and choose the way of returns.  Well, I wish investing is that easy.

    I just finished my most complicated tax return last month.  I got $11775.91 dividend, of which $10008.58 are qualified dividends.  I’m fully utilizing Bush’s dividend tax cut, preserving most dividends as qualifed dividends.  For those who are not familiar with the dividend tax cut, a qualified dividend is taxed at 15% or 5%, unlike ordinary dividend which is taxed at marginal income tax bracket which can be as high as 35%.  Your holding period must be more than 60 days within the 120 days of ex-dividend date to qualify for the lower dividend tax rate.

    How did I receive so many dividends?  I definitely didn’t have more than $200K invested in the dividend-paying stocks.  5% of $200K is $10K, but my dividend stocks usually pay out closer to 10% (ranges from 7% to 15%).  If you just have $20K invested in such stocks, you would have gotten $2000 to $3000 assuming a 10% to 15% yield.  It’s not a lot, but surely beats the paltry 2% local bank yields.

    The primary reason that I want to invest in dividend stocks is to reduce the overall volatility of my portfolio.  Most people adjust bond allocation to reduce portfolio volatility.  However, I have basically zero bonds because they are losers’ bet in an inflationary environment.  I believe long term bonds of 10 years or greater are guaranteed to lose money after inflation.  Stocks are hedges against inflation, while bonds do the best in a deflationary environment.  The dividends of stocks can go up along with inflation, while the interest payout of bonds are fixed.

    Trading dividend stocks can be tricky because most of them are interest rate sensitive.  I didn’t realize this until I lost almost 20% in a stock when US Federal Reserve began interest rate hiking in 2004.  After that, I can pretty much quantify the effect of interest rate on a dividend stock:

    yield premium (or risk) = current yield - safest yield (usually as 10-year treasury bond yield).

    The yield premium for a given stock is usually fixed but can change gradually.  When Fed started to raise interest rate in 2004, the forward expection of safest yield suddenly jumped.  Since the yield premium is about the same, it means the current yield must increase, and therefore the stock price had to fall.  Let me use an example.  If a stock is paying 7%, while 10-year bond is trading at 4%, the yield premium is 3%.  Assumes that the expectation of 10-year bond goes from 4% to 5%, the stock should be yielding 8% instead of 7%.  Assumes that the stock usually pays out $7 of dividend, and trades at $100 (7% yield).  Since the absolute amount of the dividend doesn’t increase immediately, and is still $7, to get to 8% dividend yield on the same stock, the stock needs to fall by 1 - 7% / 8% = 12.5%, to $87.5.  At $87.5, a $7 dividend will give you 8% dividend yield.

    Once there was a Smith Barney financial advisor who attempted to trick me out of my dividend stocks to be invested with him, and told me that they trade like bonds.  Well, yes, he was right, but not right enough.  I immediately told him that some of my dividend stocks yield more than 12%, and at a 12% yield, the stock will just fall 7.7% for a 1% interest rise in treasury bond.  And if I was getting 12% yield, I wouldn’t care about the 7.7% fall, since I will still net 4.3% positive return.

    Most of my dividends come from foreign stocks.  Part of the reason is because US stocks simply don’t have good dividends to beat inflation rate on an after-tax basis.  The other reason is that dividend payouts in foreign currency will increase in value when $US fall.  Furthermore, your capital in foreign stock which is based in foreign currency will also preserve its value when $US falls.

    Furthermore, most of my dividend stocks have at least one of the following characteristics:

    1. The company is growing, and dividends are increasing.
    2. The company is in an industry that will benefit from inflation directly, such as energy production companies.  On the other hand, utility companies such as Edison, which are unable or slow to pass the inflated cost to customers, are not a good bet.
    3. The company is based in a country with a strong currency, but their products must either have a strong pricing power in the global market, or localized in the local economy.  Otherwise, a strong currency will only raise the cost, without a corresponding increase in the revenue.

    I will follow up this post with other types of “dividends” which are either legally tax-free, or close to tax-free.  Have you ever filed federal tax Form 8271 Investor Reporting of Tax Shelter Registration Number?  If not, maybe you have missed out something.  Man, is this the secret of wealthy people or what?  Receiving cash payout like dividends, but without paying much taxes at all!  Finally, I found out about these deals in the last three years.

    Readers’ notes:  Here is the entire dividend investing series.

    1. Master Limited Partnership - Great Dividend Savers
    2. Royalty Trusts - Get Paid Royalties w/o Paying (Much) Taxes
    3. REIT as an Alternative Dividend Investment
    4. List of High Yield Dividend Stocks (Up to 18.6%)
    5. Foreign Taxes Withheld Problem (this is not part of the series, but most likely you will face the same problem.)

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    11 Responses to “My dividend investing ($11775.91 for 2005)”

    1. Jim Says:

      Frugal, do you invest in ADRs over a U.S. stock exchange, or are you investing directly in foreign countries?

      I agree that foreign stocks should comprise part of everyone’s portfolio. They generally seem to pay higher dividends than U.S. stocks and will definitely benefit from the U.S. dollar’s seemingly inevitable continued weakness against foreign stocks. There’s simply no way the the U.S. can maintain its current trade deficit without the U.S. dollar eventually weakening substantially.

    2. frugal Says:

      Sorry Jim, I didn’t see your question earlier. To answer your question, I invest in ADRs or pink sheets.

      I can already see the difference between my US & foreign dividend stocks these days after $US took a fall. I am kicking myself for not shifting more money into foreign stocks.

    3. frugal Says:

      I have just posted the first followed on Master Limited Partnership - Great Dividend Savers. There will be a second followed on. I may have a third, but not sure at this point yet.

    4. Fat Pitch Financials Says:

      Carnival of Investing #21…

      Retire at 30 just asked me to fill in for him for this week’s Carnival of Investing. Apparently, all is well with TT from Retire at 30, but his job is taking up most of his time so he has stopped blogging. Since I only found out that I would be…

    5. John Says:

      I nvested in ADRs and the country withheld 28% in taxes.How can I get this withholding returned ?

    6. frugal Says:

      Hi John,
      I will answer your question in a post “Foreign Taxes Withheld Problem”. That will come out in about 2 or 3 days. There is a lot of details that I need to go through.

      Take care.

    7. frugal Says:

      John, I posted the answers on May 12th, 2005. The name of the post is “Foreign Tax Withheld Problem”. Let me know if you have any more questions.

    8. Bill Carson Says:

      I am new to this site and am just noticing that most of the posts are at least 6 mos old. Guess I missed the boat. I have owned NAT for the last 6 mos and am very happy with it. I should’ve sold at $40 and bought back in at $33, but hindsight is 20/20. It’s to bad FRO wants a regular dividend around $2.00 a share otherwise it might beat NAT as a better investment. After all, it ships more than just oil and has a larger fleet than NAT.

    9. Frugal Says:

      Good for you on NAT.

    10. george senda Says:

      I am just starting out investing again after being homeless for 5 years. I work 2 jobs, one full time one part time. I am paying off my credit cards, should be payed off by June. I am 54. Should I be looking for growth or dividend? also, some of your stocks list only a 4% yield with a 15% in parenthesis. How come?

      I am putting away $200 a month, more when the cards go down.

      thanks

      george

    11. Frugal Says:

      I cannot give out personal advice since I’m not a financial advisor. You’re looking at an old post, and things could have changed a lot.

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