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		<title>By: Income Trusts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Income Trusts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow found this post on Google when I was looking for one of mine.  Talking about raining on the Canadian Income Trust parade...  I&#039;ve just recently gotten into the market or at least started researching them and have found that the general consensus on the new tax laws is not really positive, however you might say people are more positive that trusts will grow to meet the challenge.

Heck they do have 4 years to do whatever they need to in order to get this mess cleaned up and hopefully removed in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow found this post on Google when I was looking for one of mine.  Talking about raining on the Canadian Income Trust parade&#8230;  I&#8217;ve just recently gotten into the market or at least started researching them and have found that the general consensus on the new tax laws is not really positive, however you might say people are more positive that trusts will grow to meet the challenge.</p>
<p>Heck they do have 4 years to do whatever they need to in order to get this mess cleaned up and hopefully removed in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Frugal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frugal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 06:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bonnie,
  Thanks for your info.  I personally subscribe to Justice Little&#039;s stock newsletter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bonnie,<br />
  Thanks for your info.  I personally subscribe to Justice Little&#8217;s stock newsletter.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought this was an interesting take on the subject,distributed by the Daily Reckoning

Barbarians at the Border By Justice Litle 

&quot;The barbarians are amassing along the Canadian border. But 
these barbarians don&#039;t wear bearskins and wield clubs. They 
wear Armani and wield wads of cash. Foreign investors are 
preparing to sweep into the beaten-down investment trust 
sector, to plunder the valuables and return the booty to 
their native lands. Canadians will not enjoy this 
plundering very much. Individual investors, however, would 
stand to benefit if they purchased selected investment 
trusts before the barbarians arrived. 

The aptly titled, &quot;Barbarians at the Gate,&quot; is a famous 
book-turned-movie about one of the biggest private equity 
deals in history. In the late &#039;80s, private equity firm 
Kohlberg Kravis Roberts bought out RJR Nabisco for $25 
billion, a staggering sum that was only recently topped. 
(And still hasn&#039;t been topped in inflation-adjusted terms.) 

The global economy is still awash in a sea of cash and 
private equity firms have literally tens of billions to 
throw around. They are bigger, badder and hungrier than 
ever before. What are a private equity guy&#039;s favorite two 
words in the world? &quot;Cash flow.&quot; What do Canada&#039;s income 
trusts have in spades? Cash flow. Put the two together and 
it&#039;s not hard to see: The barbarians are coming. 

Private equity guys recently bought Freescale Semiconductor 
for $17.6 billion. They bought HCA for $33 billion - the 
largest deal ever in noninflation-adjusted terms. That may 
soon be topped; Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, of RJR Nabisco 
fame, was recently in the hunt to break its own record. The 
proposed deal price? A cool $50 billion. 

All the Canadian energy trusts put together have a market 
value of $60-80 billion. That&#039;s a drop in the bucket... a 
mere two or three mega-deals by today&#039;s standards. The 
barbarians are sitting on so much investor cash that they 
are literally desperate to deploy it. They are no doubt 
drooling over the situation Flaherty created. 

For example: On Halloween night, The Globe and Mail 
reports, the CEO of KCP Income Fund was heading home to go 
trick-or-treating with his kids. In the space of minutes, 
he had received half a dozen e-mails on his Blackberry - 
all inquiring about his willingness to go private. As soon 
as the news was out, the jets were scrambling. 

&quot;So what?&quot; You might ask. &quot;What does it matter if the 
barbarians take over? Isn&#039;t it all the same?&quot; 

Well, no. 

When an energy trust goes private, for one thing, public 
investors no longer get to participate in the revenue 
stream. Instead of enriching Canadian citizens and other 
small-scale investors, the cash flows to bigwigs in L.A. 
and New York. Flaherty got brownie points for offering tax 
exemptions to Canadian senior citizens; those exemptions 
won&#039;t matter much if the trust distribution streams no 
longer exist. 

More importantly, the &quot;hollowing out&quot; problem is still 
there... and arguably gets worse under a barbarian regime. 

Private equity firms used to take pride in shaping the 
companies they acquired. The old way was to really clean up 
a company, improve its efficiency and make a mint by way of 
genuine value creation. That still happens, but it&#039;s more 
and more rare these days. The new model is more akin to 
strip-mining: load the target with debt, extract as much 
cash as you can and flip it back to the public as quickly 
as possible. Under the old-fashioned way, polishing up a 
company took years. Not any more. The new record for a 
private equity strip &#039;n&#039; flip is an astonishing three 
weeks.  

Private equity guys don&#039;t care about the world&#039;s energy 
future. The name of the game is fees and cash flow, end of 
story. They view their acquisitions in the same way credit 
card companies view subprime borrowers - as assets to be 
leveraged and exploited. If the barbarians can snap up 
these trusts like barracudas eating minnows, what do you 
think their focus will be? Will they be worried about 
growing operations, expanding capex to meet future demand? 
Heck no. They&#039;ll be cutting costs left and right, forgoing 
expenditures wherever they can. If you thought Exxon and BP 
were stingy on the capex side, you ain&#039;t seen nothing yet.  

Flaherty&#039;s proposal not only produced a sweet opportunity 
for foreigner buyers, it also created bitter opportunity 
for domestic sellers. A lot of Canadian executives now feel 
they&#039;ve been betrayed and abused; this makes the trusts all 
the more susceptible to selling out. If the business you 
love has been trashed by your government, and your net 
worth just took a sizable hit, why not cash out with your 
wealth and your dignity intact? 

At the end of the day, I can see why Flaherty did what he 
did. But I think all his talk of &quot;fairness&quot; and &quot;doing 
what&#039;s best for Canadians&quot; is probably a bunch of hooey. 
Given the opportunity, I would love to ask him: If you were 
so upset about big banks and telecoms converting to trusts, 
Mr. Flaherty, why didn&#039;t you just go after big banks and 
telecoms? Is your only policy tool a sledgehammer? Why 
didn&#039;t you respect the spirit, if not the letter, of your 
promise, by grandfathering in existing trusts? 

Bottom line: If Canada&#039;s energy trusts are taken private en 
masse, that could hurt Canadian investors and workers 
alike, as cash flows are diverted and capex is cut. If that 
doesn&#039;t happen - if Flaherty decides to block the 
barbarians with restrictive legislation - then he will be 
responsible for demoralizing and shrinking an industry that 
has less lifeblood and less expansion capability than 
before. If such occurs, tax revenue gained from betraying 
the trusts could easily be offset by economic activity 
lost. 

But we individual investors need not trouble ourselves with 
such issues; we need merely assess the situation as it 
currently exists and respond. The situation as it currently 
exists offers compelling value. The high-yielding 
investment trusts will continue to pay their high-yields 
without taxation until 2011...assuming the barbarians do 
not swoop in to take them private in the meantime. 

Net-net, seek out the values that would attract a 
barbarian.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought this was an interesting take on the subject,distributed by the Daily Reckoning</p>
<p>Barbarians at the Border By Justice Litle </p>
<p>&#8220;The barbarians are amassing along the Canadian border. But<br />
these barbarians don&#8217;t wear bearskins and wield clubs. They<br />
wear Armani and wield wads of cash. Foreign investors are<br />
preparing to sweep into the beaten-down investment trust<br />
sector, to plunder the valuables and return the booty to<br />
their native lands. Canadians will not enjoy this<br />
plundering very much. Individual investors, however, would<br />
stand to benefit if they purchased selected investment<br />
trusts before the barbarians arrived. </p>
<p>The aptly titled, &#8220;Barbarians at the Gate,&#8221; is a famous<br />
book-turned-movie about one of the biggest private equity<br />
deals in history. In the late &#8217;80s, private equity firm<br />
Kohlberg Kravis Roberts bought out RJR Nabisco for $25<br />
billion, a staggering sum that was only recently topped.<br />
(And still hasn&#8217;t been topped in inflation-adjusted terms.) </p>
<p>The global economy is still awash in a sea of cash and<br />
private equity firms have literally tens of billions to<br />
throw around. They are bigger, badder and hungrier than<br />
ever before. What are a private equity guy&#8217;s favorite two<br />
words in the world? &#8220;Cash flow.&#8221; What do Canada&#8217;s income<br />
trusts have in spades? Cash flow. Put the two together and<br />
it&#8217;s not hard to see: The barbarians are coming. </p>
<p>Private equity guys recently bought Freescale Semiconductor<br />
for $17.6 billion. They bought HCA for $33 billion &#8211; the<br />
largest deal ever in noninflation-adjusted terms. That may<br />
soon be topped; Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, of RJR Nabisco<br />
fame, was recently in the hunt to break its own record. The<br />
proposed deal price? A cool $50 billion. </p>
<p>All the Canadian energy trusts put together have a market<br />
value of $60-80 billion. That&#8217;s a drop in the bucket&#8230; a<br />
mere two or three mega-deals by today&#8217;s standards. The<br />
barbarians are sitting on so much investor cash that they<br />
are literally desperate to deploy it. They are no doubt<br />
drooling over the situation Flaherty created. </p>
<p>For example: On Halloween night, The Globe and Mail<br />
reports, the CEO of KCP Income Fund was heading home to go<br />
trick-or-treating with his kids. In the space of minutes,<br />
he had received half a dozen e-mails on his Blackberry &#8211;<br />
all inquiring about his willingness to go private. As soon<br />
as the news was out, the jets were scrambling. </p>
<p>&#8220;So what?&#8221; You might ask. &#8220;What does it matter if the<br />
barbarians take over? Isn&#8217;t it all the same?&#8221; </p>
<p>Well, no. </p>
<p>When an energy trust goes private, for one thing, public<br />
investors no longer get to participate in the revenue<br />
stream. Instead of enriching Canadian citizens and other<br />
small-scale investors, the cash flows to bigwigs in L.A.<br />
and New York. Flaherty got brownie points for offering tax<br />
exemptions to Canadian senior citizens; those exemptions<br />
won&#8217;t matter much if the trust distribution streams no<br />
longer exist. </p>
<p>More importantly, the &#8220;hollowing out&#8221; problem is still<br />
there&#8230; and arguably gets worse under a barbarian regime. </p>
<p>Private equity firms used to take pride in shaping the<br />
companies they acquired. The old way was to really clean up<br />
a company, improve its efficiency and make a mint by way of<br />
genuine value creation. That still happens, but it&#8217;s more<br />
and more rare these days. The new model is more akin to<br />
strip-mining: load the target with debt, extract as much<br />
cash as you can and flip it back to the public as quickly<br />
as possible. Under the old-fashioned way, polishing up a<br />
company took years. Not any more. The new record for a<br />
private equity strip &#8216;n&#8217; flip is an astonishing three<br />
weeks.  </p>
<p>Private equity guys don&#8217;t care about the world&#8217;s energy<br />
future. The name of the game is fees and cash flow, end of<br />
story. They view their acquisitions in the same way credit<br />
card companies view subprime borrowers &#8211; as assets to be<br />
leveraged and exploited. If the barbarians can snap up<br />
these trusts like barracudas eating minnows, what do you<br />
think their focus will be? Will they be worried about<br />
growing operations, expanding capex to meet future demand?<br />
Heck no. They&#8217;ll be cutting costs left and right, forgoing<br />
expenditures wherever they can. If you thought Exxon and BP<br />
were stingy on the capex side, you ain&#8217;t seen nothing yet.  </p>
<p>Flaherty&#8217;s proposal not only produced a sweet opportunity<br />
for foreigner buyers, it also created bitter opportunity<br />
for domestic sellers. A lot of Canadian executives now feel<br />
they&#8217;ve been betrayed and abused; this makes the trusts all<br />
the more susceptible to selling out. If the business you<br />
love has been trashed by your government, and your net<br />
worth just took a sizable hit, why not cash out with your<br />
wealth and your dignity intact? </p>
<p>At the end of the day, I can see why Flaherty did what he<br />
did. But I think all his talk of &#8220;fairness&#8221; and &#8220;doing<br />
what&#8217;s best for Canadians&#8221; is probably a bunch of hooey.<br />
Given the opportunity, I would love to ask him: If you were<br />
so upset about big banks and telecoms converting to trusts,<br />
Mr. Flaherty, why didn&#8217;t you just go after big banks and<br />
telecoms? Is your only policy tool a sledgehammer? Why<br />
didn&#8217;t you respect the spirit, if not the letter, of your<br />
promise, by grandfathering in existing trusts? </p>
<p>Bottom line: If Canada&#8217;s energy trusts are taken private en<br />
masse, that could hurt Canadian investors and workers<br />
alike, as cash flows are diverted and capex is cut. If that<br />
doesn&#8217;t happen &#8211; if Flaherty decides to block the<br />
barbarians with restrictive legislation &#8211; then he will be<br />
responsible for demoralizing and shrinking an industry that<br />
has less lifeblood and less expansion capability than<br />
before. If such occurs, tax revenue gained from betraying<br />
the trusts could easily be offset by economic activity<br />
lost. </p>
<p>But we individual investors need not trouble ourselves with<br />
such issues; we need merely assess the situation as it<br />
currently exists and respond. The situation as it currently<br />
exists offers compelling value. The high-yielding<br />
investment trusts will continue to pay their high-yields<br />
without taxation until 2011&#8230;assuming the barbarians do<br />
not swoop in to take them private in the meantime. </p>
<p>Net-net, seek out the values that would attract a<br />
barbarian.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Frugal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frugal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 08:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Investorial or Vince,
  Just to reiterate/emphasize.  Forgive me to be just another human being.  I don&#039;t live in Canada.  I&#039;m certainly in no position to pass on my judgment, especially using moronic words like morons.  Please accept my public apology.  As you know, not a human being is faultless.

Regards,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Investorial or Vince,<br />
  Just to reiterate/emphasize.  Forgive me to be just another human being.  I don&#8217;t live in Canada.  I&#8217;m certainly in no position to pass on my judgment, especially using moronic words like morons.  Please accept my public apology.  As you know, not a human being is faultless.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
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		<title>By: Frugal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frugal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 07:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I was certainly too harsh.  But I believe that there are definitely so many other better ways of handling such a big change in the investment world.  Don&#039;t you think?

Compared to how China handle the appreciation of RMB, I think this particular example is quite far from being smooth.  The way China has handled the appreciation in RMB is by defeating the entire purpose of speculation through gradualism.  If you are going to get some 3 to 4% in currency exchange return, the speculators will go away.

On the other case of GG/GLG merger, I think Canada court has sided with big money.  How can anyone agree to disrepect the owners of the company?  It&#039;s truly beyond me.  You might want to look into that, and let me know whether the judicial system is somewhat corrupted.  (That&#039;s not saying that the judicial systems are not corrupted elsewhere, :( ).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I was certainly too harsh.  But I believe that there are definitely so many other better ways of handling such a big change in the investment world.  Don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<p>Compared to how China handle the appreciation of RMB, I think this particular example is quite far from being smooth.  The way China has handled the appreciation in RMB is by defeating the entire purpose of speculation through gradualism.  If you are going to get some 3 to 4% in currency exchange return, the speculators will go away.</p>
<p>On the other case of GG/GLG merger, I think Canada court has sided with big money.  How can anyone agree to disrepect the owners of the company?  It&#8217;s truly beyond me.  You might want to look into that, and let me know whether the judicial system is somewhat corrupted.  (That&#8217;s not saying that the judicial systems are not corrupted elsewhere, <img src='http://www.1stMillionAt33.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  ).</p>
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		<title>By: Investorial</title>
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		<dc:creator>Investorial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 04:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re selling when the tax changes kick in. That means you can enjoy distributions for the next 4 years! It&#039;s not like income trusts haven&#039;t seen their ups and downs in their last year. 15% losses were suffered earlier too... 

Sigh, you&#039;re sounding like sour grapes.. emotional and everything. I didn&#039;t know about the U.S. withholding taxes, so that was something new for me. But to say morons run Canada, that&#039;s harsh especially when you don&#039;t live here. All in all, I should probably forget that you ever wrote such a post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re selling when the tax changes kick in. That means you can enjoy distributions for the next 4 years! It&#8217;s not like income trusts haven&#8217;t seen their ups and downs in their last year. 15% losses were suffered earlier too&#8230; </p>
<p>Sigh, you&#8217;re sounding like sour grapes.. emotional and everything. I didn&#8217;t know about the U.S. withholding taxes, so that was something new for me. But to say morons run Canada, that&#8217;s harsh especially when you don&#8217;t live here. All in all, I should probably forget that you ever wrote such a post.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Nusbaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Nusbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 13:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Australia? EWA &amp; FAX.....
1. http://millionairenowbook.blogspot.com/2006/10/australia.html
2. http://millionairenowbook.blogspot.com/2006/07/australia-from-australian-investor.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Australia? EWA &amp; FAX&#8230;..<br />
1. <a href="http://millionairenowbook.blogspot.com/2006/10/australia.html" rel="nofollow">http://millionairenowbook.blogspot.com/2006/10/australia.html</a><br />
2. <a href="http://millionairenowbook.blogspot.com/2006/07/australia-from-australian-investor.html" rel="nofollow">http://millionairenowbook.blogspot.com/2006/07/australia-from-australian-investor.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Frugal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frugal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 07:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Larry, for your links.

FinancialSense just had &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/2006/1104.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;an article&lt;/a&gt; out, criticizing the tax change move by not doing grandfathering the old trusts.  I think angering the investors is the most stupid thing to do.  A country that doesn&#039;t attract capital will sink in the long term.

Now, especially after Canadian court fully disrespect shareholders&#039; right in the GG/GLG merger, I&#039;m going to shift my money more into Australia rather than Canada now.

There are some unbelievable morons running Canada, and I won&#039;t let them screwed up my money again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Larry, for your links.</p>
<p>FinancialSense just had <a href="http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/2006/1104.html" rel="nofollow">an article</a> out, criticizing the tax change move by not doing grandfathering the old trusts.  I think angering the investors is the most stupid thing to do.  A country that doesn&#8217;t attract capital will sink in the long term.</p>
<p>Now, especially after Canadian court fully disrespect shareholders&#8217; right in the GG/GLG merger, I&#8217;m going to shift my money more into Australia rather than Canada now.</p>
<p>There are some unbelievable morons running Canada, and I won&#8217;t let them screwed up my money again.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Nusbaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Nusbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 21:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://seekingalpha.com/article/19859</description>
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		<title>By: Larry Nusbaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Nusbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 02:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Frugal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frugal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 02:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has been really ugly.  Normally, such decisions should be investor/capital friendly to minimize market disruption.  I think it was unwise.  They could have made it to be a gradual change, extending through a longer period, and make it to be a very small incentive of selling the trusts.  Instead, the effect will be less appreciation going forward due to the gradual effects phase-in.

Although the results may be fair, its political execution is quite stupid.  This is probably one of the least intelligent way of doing things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been really ugly.  Normally, such decisions should be investor/capital friendly to minimize market disruption.  I think it was unwise.  They could have made it to be a gradual change, extending through a longer period, and make it to be a very small incentive of selling the trusts.  Instead, the effect will be less appreciation going forward due to the gradual effects phase-in.</p>
<p>Although the results may be fair, its political execution is quite stupid.  This is probably one of the least intelligent way of doing things.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 21:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say that not only was it a bad day for income trust investors but a bad day for the Canadian economy. The worst part about the whole deal is that one of their election promises was to leave income trusts alone. I guess they decided pulling 25 Billion out of the Canadian economy was a good idea for some tax revenue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say that not only was it a bad day for income trust investors but a bad day for the Canadian economy. The worst part about the whole deal is that one of their election promises was to leave income trusts alone. I guess they decided pulling 25 Billion out of the Canadian economy was a good idea for some tax revenue.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 20:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought PDS a few weeks ago at $28.29.  I am going to stay in and see how it all plays out.  Existing trusts retain their tax-advantaged status until 2011, with new trusts not allowed at all.  It thus seems to me that the existing trusts have an advantage that other companies can no longer replicate. Granted, it will only last a few more years, but I am sure that Canadian tax law experts are figuring out the best way to take advantage of this limited opportunity.  See today&#039;s Barron&#039;s online which also suggests holding on:

Fair use excerpt from Thursday&#039;s Barronsonline:

&quot;Holders of existing royalty trusts have to decide what to do now. Given the devastating losses they took Wednesday, it doesn&#039;t seem to make much sense to dump them now at depressed prices. Moreover, the trusts will maintain their tax-favored status through 2011. And, one observer posits, the trusts would have an incentive to maximize their production until the tax change goes into effect in four years. Meanwhile, fully taxed corporations such as Suncor won&#039;t be at a disadvantage to the royalty trusts.

&quot;Many observers had believed that some curtailment of the trusts&#039; tax advantages loomed in the long term, but most were shocked that it happened so soon. &quot;It was inevitable, though,&quot; observes Willens. &quot;They had to do something before the entire corporate tax base was eroded.&quot;

&quot;That raises the question of whether U.S. tax authorities could rein in master limited partnerships, which provide analogous tax advantages to the Canadian trusts, he adds. But REIT investors can rest easy, Willens says. They&#039;re too well represented to worry about such taxation.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought PDS a few weeks ago at $28.29.  I am going to stay in and see how it all plays out.  Existing trusts retain their tax-advantaged status until 2011, with new trusts not allowed at all.  It thus seems to me that the existing trusts have an advantage that other companies can no longer replicate. Granted, it will only last a few more years, but I am sure that Canadian tax law experts are figuring out the best way to take advantage of this limited opportunity.  See today&#8217;s Barron&#8217;s online which also suggests holding on:</p>
<p>Fair use excerpt from Thursday&#8217;s Barronsonline:</p>
<p>&#8220;Holders of existing royalty trusts have to decide what to do now. Given the devastating losses they took Wednesday, it doesn&#8217;t seem to make much sense to dump them now at depressed prices. Moreover, the trusts will maintain their tax-favored status through 2011. And, one observer posits, the trusts would have an incentive to maximize their production until the tax change goes into effect in four years. Meanwhile, fully taxed corporations such as Suncor won&#8217;t be at a disadvantage to the royalty trusts.</p>
<p>&#8220;Many observers had believed that some curtailment of the trusts&#8217; tax advantages loomed in the long term, but most were shocked that it happened so soon. &#8220;It was inevitable, though,&#8221; observes Willens. &#8220;They had to do something before the entire corporate tax base was eroded.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;That raises the question of whether U.S. tax authorities could rein in master limited partnerships, which provide analogous tax advantages to the Canadian trusts, he adds. But REIT investors can rest easy, Willens says. They&#8217;re too well represented to worry about such taxation.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Nusbaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Nusbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 17:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just sold my Goldcorp (they overpaid badly for Glamis). I added yo my PMU @ .87</description>
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