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	<title>Comments on: 529 plans: The 10% Penalty Solution, Part 2</title>
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		<title>By: jojo</title>
		<link>http://www.1stMillionAt33.com/2007/01/529-plan-early-retirement-2/comment-page-1/#comment-4847</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: EmergDoc</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re missing something.  Check out this thread discussing your contribution at diehards.org

http://www.diehards.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=61762#61762

Here is a brief summary (my post on the thread)

The math is actually quite simple:

Variable Annuity vs 529 Plan
Pay taxes up front on both of them
You don&#039;t pay taxes as both of them grow
You pay your full tax rate on both of them when you withdraw the money
You pay a little bit of extra expense over and above what tax-efficient mutual funds in a taxable account might cost you in both of them
You pay an EXTRA 10% penalty with the 529.

Thus, unless the 529 has a secret super-investment, it doesn&#039;t make sense to use it unless there is at least some chance you&#039;ll use it for education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re missing something.  Check out this thread discussing your contribution at diehards.org</p>
<p><a href="http://www.diehards.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=61762#61762" rel="nofollow">http://www.diehards.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=61762#61762</a></p>
<p>Here is a brief summary (my post on the thread)</p>
<p>The math is actually quite simple:</p>
<p>Variable Annuity vs 529 Plan<br />
Pay taxes up front on both of them<br />
You don&#8217;t pay taxes as both of them grow<br />
You pay your full tax rate on both of them when you withdraw the money<br />
You pay a little bit of extra expense over and above what tax-efficient mutual funds in a taxable account might cost you in both of them<br />
You pay an EXTRA 10% penalty with the 529.</p>
<p>Thus, unless the 529 has a secret super-investment, it doesn&#8217;t make sense to use it unless there is at least some chance you&#8217;ll use it for education.</p>
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		<title>By: ML</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 02:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DJ,

The higher current tax bracket makes tax deferral more attractive while higher future tax bracket makes LT capital gain from a taxable account more attractive.  So it&#039;s hard to judge if the 529 plan is used for regular retirement savings.  A low-cost variable annuity may be preferable.  Of course if the 529 plan is used to pay for educational expenses then yes the advantage is greater with a high current bracket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DJ,</p>
<p>The higher current tax bracket makes tax deferral more attractive while higher future tax bracket makes LT capital gain from a taxable account more attractive.  So it&#8217;s hard to judge if the 529 plan is used for regular retirement savings.  A low-cost variable annuity may be preferable.  Of course if the 529 plan is used to pay for educational expenses then yes the advantage is greater with a high current bracket.</p>
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		<title>By: dj</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 18:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post you put together!

Quick question: 

If you were in a higher Tax bracket (35-38%) @ the age of 35 and suspect you will remain at a high bracket (but less than 35%) post retirement, then doesn&#039;t it make even more sense to invest in a 529 as a means to invest long term?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post you put together!</p>
<p>Quick question: </p>
<p>If you were in a higher Tax bracket (35-38%) @ the age of 35 and suspect you will remain at a high bracket (but less than 35%) post retirement, then doesn&#8217;t it make even more sense to invest in a 529 as a means to invest long term?</p>
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